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Build chicanes on the front and rear straights at Daytona and Talladega. More chances to outbrake, pass, and lower top speeds-no more restrictor plates.
Also, hinge the rear wing to flatten out when going backwards- no more Flyin' Ryans.
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I´ll second that. Restrictor plates are nothing but artificial way to make sure you always get close finish, unpredictable winner and lotsa wrecking.
In real racing, you have the opportunity to go faster than your rivals - even if it leads to WWE fans getting bored seeing one guy winning (eg, JJ) too often.
In real racing, you have the opportunity to go faster than your rivals - even if it leads to WWE fans getting bored seeing one guy winning (eg, JJ) too often.
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I´ll second that. Restrictor plates are nothing but artificial way to make sure you always get close finish, unpredictable winner and lotsa wrecking.
In real racing, you have the opportunity to go faster than your rivals - even if it leads to WWE fans getting bored seeing one guy winning (eg, JJ) too often.
Restrictor plates reduce speeds. You're confusing cause and effect.
Imagine the carnage at 850 - 900 HP. The useful purpose of those 2 racetracks has been eclipsed by technology.
They lengthen the Augusta National Golf Club annually and the same thing is done to many other venerable courses. Why is that?
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Hell, they already have a chicane on the Daytona back straight. Test it, modify it- does not get much cheaper.
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Restrictor plates reduce speeds. You're confusing cause and effect.
Imagine the carnage at 850 - 900 HP. The useful purpose of those 2 racetracks has been eclipsed by technology.
They lengthen the Augusta National Golf Club annually and the same thing is done to many other venerable courses. Why is that?
aunty,
Read the opening post I was responding to!
Restrictor plates are by no means the only solution; NASCAR added them to reduce speeds and found out some of the fans loved the WWE-style events that followed. That is the reason RP´s are still used. To me, a racing fan, adding chicanes would be vastly better solution. Simple as that.
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It sounds like a good idea,... sort of. I see the chicane as another place to have huge accidents as people try to go three-wide through it and no one wants to back off.
To be effective it couldn't be just a "kink." It would have to be a major curve, wide enough to enter three-wide and gradual enough to not need hard braking, but getting tight enough to require the pack to slow.
Recall how well NASACR drivers do on road courses? These guys are great on ovals but not a lot of them seem to have mastered braking or right turns. Three-wide pack funneled into a tight corner ....
I see no hope for restictor plate racing beside a complete redesign of the tracks (not kinks, but full-on corners, which kind of destroys "oval" racing and will cost billions) or to require not restrictor plates, which kill throttle response and enforce full-throttle driving, but a Superspeedway carburetor with much narrower throats, so the response is excellent but the air flow is still vastly reduced.
Thing is, it is the pack and the speed that cause big accidents, and NASCAR wants the pack. NASCAR wants a lot of meaningless passing. It is meaningless because everyone know all that matters is who leads the final lap. Let a driver really get a lead, and "debris" will appear (that article about drivers throwing trash out their windows ... "
And if the speed is limited to safe levels, the fans will still complain.
Maybe, if NASCARw anted to gasmble, they could try both techniques: radical track modification and small er Speedway carbs instead of plates. But that would be a huge expensive gak,ble, and ANSACR doesn't want to mess wioth the product so long as it keeps selling.
Basically we watch the races and complain, and NASCAR keeps the races. Jimmie Johnson said it yesterday (paraphrased, though I taped it if anyone really wants to dispute it): As long as the fans keep coming to the races, NASCAR will make them race that way. if the fans stop watching, NASCAR will change things.
To be effective it couldn't be just a "kink." It would have to be a major curve, wide enough to enter three-wide and gradual enough to not need hard braking, but getting tight enough to require the pack to slow.
Recall how well NASACR drivers do on road courses? These guys are great on ovals but not a lot of them seem to have mastered braking or right turns. Three-wide pack funneled into a tight corner ....
I see no hope for restictor plate racing beside a complete redesign of the tracks (not kinks, but full-on corners, which kind of destroys "oval" racing and will cost billions) or to require not restrictor plates, which kill throttle response and enforce full-throttle driving, but a Superspeedway carburetor with much narrower throats, so the response is excellent but the air flow is still vastly reduced.
Thing is, it is the pack and the speed that cause big accidents, and NASCAR wants the pack. NASCAR wants a lot of meaningless passing. It is meaningless because everyone know all that matters is who leads the final lap. Let a driver really get a lead, and "debris" will appear (that article about drivers throwing trash out their windows ... "
And if the speed is limited to safe levels, the fans will still complain.
Maybe, if NASCARw anted to gasmble, they could try both techniques: radical track modification and small er Speedway carbs instead of plates. But that would be a huge expensive gak,ble, and ANSACR doesn't want to mess wioth the product so long as it keeps selling.
Basically we watch the races and complain, and NASCAR keeps the races. Jimmie Johnson said it yesterday (paraphrased, though I taped it if anyone really wants to dispute it): As long as the fans keep coming to the races, NASCAR will make them race that way. if the fans stop watching, NASCAR will change things.
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Restrictor plates reduce speeds. You're confusing cause and effect.
Imagine the carnage at 850 - 900 HP. The useful purpose of those 2 racetracks has been eclipsed by technology.
They lengthen the Augusta National Golf Club annually and the same thing is done to many other venerable courses. Why is that?
aunty,
Read the opening post I was responding to!
Restrictor plates are by no means the only solution; NASCAR added them to reduce speeds and found out some of the fans loved the WWE-style events that followed. That is the reason RP´s are still used. To me, a racing fan, adding chicanes would be vastly better solution. Simple as that.
I read it and I didn't say they were. I think the addition of chicanes in some form is a viable option and would return the 2 tracks to their intended useful purpose and ensure normal racing.
Restrictor plates reduce speed. Their manufacture and distribution is orders of magnitude cheaper than rebuilding Daytona and Talladega. A declarative statement that the sanctioning body continues to use them in order to manufacture a disreputable form of entertainment is not a fact. It's an opinion and I don't agree with it.
Sooner or later, they're going to have to deal with it ... hopefully not because they're forced to do so because of a tragedy. That is just my opinion.
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Funniest thing. This morning I was in a parking lot with about 50 to 60 cars all parked real close together, front to back, side to side. The crazy part? Not a single one was crashing, rolling, flipping, or anything else. Then I also saw a bunch of cars, probably 30 to 40 driving down a freeway, side to side, front to back, and can you believe it, they weren't crashing either! So that was 2 cases today where I saw packs without crashing!
What's the point you say? Maybe it's time we start putting the blame where it really belongs: On the drivers!! Impatience, ignoring the spotter, overexcitement, there are all kinds of intangibles that causes the drivers to make quick, ill advised, stupid moves that lead to the wrecks we see. Yes, it's a part of racing, but look at the great majority of wrecks at RP tracks. One driver moves, another blocks, and it's on. Think about it! Blame the pack racing? No! When Carl wrecked in April, Kez and him were in a 2 car breakaway. 2 CAR BREAKAWAY! When Newman hit him and launched him, Ryan was in a another 2 car group. 2 CARS! No pack there! Can't blame pack racing for Carl's wreck. You have to blame Carl for trying to block. Same with Kyle's wreck at Daytona. He tried to block, he swerved, accident happened. Carl's, Kyle's, and a lot of the accidents can only be blamed on what the drivers do to act or react or try to hold position or try to win. And, sometimes they drive over their heads. They wreck at every track, not just Dega or Daytona. Who remembers the Big One at Dover a couple fo years back? Dover! No RP's there.
And, speaking of Dover, didn't Logano just flip there a few weeks ago. I know it is crazy to think a driver can flip anywhere but at Dega or Daytona, but I seem to recall Logano flipping at a 1 mile track. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to think about, I'd say McDowell at Texas was just as nasty as Newman's yesterday. Newman may have been going faster, but McDowell hit a lot harder and rolled more. And, that happened at Texas. A 1.5 mile, non RP track. The point = wrecks happen!!
What's the point you say? Maybe it's time we start putting the blame where it really belongs: On the drivers!! Impatience, ignoring the spotter, overexcitement, there are all kinds of intangibles that causes the drivers to make quick, ill advised, stupid moves that lead to the wrecks we see. Yes, it's a part of racing, but look at the great majority of wrecks at RP tracks. One driver moves, another blocks, and it's on. Think about it! Blame the pack racing? No! When Carl wrecked in April, Kez and him were in a 2 car breakaway. 2 CAR BREAKAWAY! When Newman hit him and launched him, Ryan was in a another 2 car group. 2 CARS! No pack there! Can't blame pack racing for Carl's wreck. You have to blame Carl for trying to block. Same with Kyle's wreck at Daytona. He tried to block, he swerved, accident happened. Carl's, Kyle's, and a lot of the accidents can only be blamed on what the drivers do to act or react or try to hold position or try to win. And, sometimes they drive over their heads. They wreck at every track, not just Dega or Daytona. Who remembers the Big One at Dover a couple fo years back? Dover! No RP's there.
And, speaking of Dover, didn't Logano just flip there a few weeks ago. I know it is crazy to think a driver can flip anywhere but at Dega or Daytona, but I seem to recall Logano flipping at a 1 mile track. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Another thing to think about, I'd say McDowell at Texas was just as nasty as Newman's yesterday. Newman may have been going faster, but McDowell hit a lot harder and rolled more. And, that happened at Texas. A 1.5 mile, non RP track. The point = wrecks happen!!
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The NASCAR stars of 1969 had it right all along.... boycott Talladega.
A real cost effective solution would be to use the Infield Road Course at Daytona, and build 150,000 seats around the Talladega Short Track.
A real cost effective solution would be to use the Infield Road Course at Daytona, and build 150,000 seats around the Talladega Short Track.
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The NASCAR stars of 1969 had it right all along.... boycott Talladega.
A real cost effective solution would be to use the Infield Road Course at Daytona, and build 150,000 seats around the Talladega Short Track.
They boycotted because of the tire, not the speed.
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Thorstar,
You do realize if the drivers did the sensible thing, they´d run the first 90% of the race single file? All the position swapping that happens before the last 20 laps is pointless.
Would this make the fans happy?
You do realize if the drivers did the sensible thing, they´d run the first 90% of the race single file? All the position swapping that happens before the last 20 laps is pointless.
Would this make the fans happy?
